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    Postby Roareye on November 13th, 2018, 8:23 am

    Now before anyone points me to the Animation Cell FAQ (here - https://www.saturdaymorningsonic.com/faq/art/) I have read the FAQ and quite a bit of this website. Big fan of SatAM, amazing that they took the opposite tack on kids TV at the time. The Super Mario Bros Super Show and AoStH did the more common adaptation - childlike stories with a comedy heavy angle. Though AoStH did delve further into the absurd. SatAM instead created a more mature narrative (while keeping the show child-friendly of course) with actual stakes, the opening episode shows Sonic LOSING with the loss of Cat to Robotnik - all very much a departure from the usual way shows are adapted for children. And to fit this theme, the cyberpunk backdrops (certainly of Robotropolis) were incredible.

    Now I'm aware that the animation cells are somewhat lost to time (or for the most part, trapped inside SEGA's Japanese vault) due to copyright issues, but is the same true of the painted backgrounds? There's no copyrighted material involved necessarily in Knothole Village, Robotropolis etc, as they weren't taken from the games directly. Do they exist in higher resolution anywhere online, or is there any way of re-scanning these pieces of art to get the higher resolution versions? I'd love to use them as a starting point to restoring the show.

    To prove I've not jumped out of nowhere, I used to run the Summer of Sonic events for Sega Europe in London, a highlight of which was when I interviewed Kazuyuki Hoshino on stage in 2013. I've also been working closely with the Super Mario Bros. Movie Archive (www.smbmovie.com) to restore the film trailers for that movie in genuine 4K (Viewable from here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oCgefJDilg&t=73s) and am working on their upcoming documentary Trust The Fungus (IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8490512/). My IMDB is listed here - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9247396/

    So are the painted backdrops lcoked up in SoJ vaults too, or are they in the hand of private collectors? If they're in the hands of collectors, is there anyone here who is or knows a collector with these art boards? While some would want to start with the animation cells (and I will need to get a scan of those too, so please contact me if you own those) I'm aware that most of them aren't available. There are a few aces up my sleeve if the animation cells are impossible to come by, but not so much for the painted art.

    Sorry this was a bit long, but any help to find these artworks would be greatly appreciated. The more I have, the more likely a restoration can be completed.

    Thanks guys :D
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    Re: SatAM Background Art

    Postby Roareye on November 16th, 2018, 2:54 am

    One collector has agreed to scan her background cels for me.
    Leda "Leedzie" Clark - http://ledastudios.rubberslug.com/gallery/home.asp
    She has two Robotropolis backdrops and the original title cels, as well as two backdrops from the deleted/lost original intro sequence! The deleted intro sequence scan (of the wide panning shot) won't be in our initial set of scans as it is currently museum framed and so it will require extra cost to replace the glass etc - but we will get around to it!

    I have also purchased a Sonic Underground cel - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/202495451823
    I know it isn't relevant to SatAM necessarily, however I purchased it prior to finding Leda, so when it arrives I'll have it scanned and use it as a test piece to show how I can restore the show. Obviously the shot won't be a matching one, but it'll prove a genuine 4K SatAM (not an upscale) is completely possible.

    In effect I'll be doing the entire post-production of the show again - from scratch. I'll have to animate (pan and scan) the backdrops, and layer the animations over the top in a editing suite. Coming from fresh scans, however, background detail will be retained (in fact it'll be much better as they'll be new 4K scans) and animation will be smoother - losing the motion blur seen on the original VHS edited episodes.

    Once I get a proof of concept out there, I'll post it here. It may be a little wait, but it'll be worth it.
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    Re: SatAM Background Art

    Postby TheRecoveredVet on November 19th, 2018, 11:55 pm

    Ive heard of your restoration projects and this intrigues me. How exactly can you restore SatAM with only a couple cels and backgrounds? Wouldnt you need all of them? And if its going to be scaled to 4K, would that mean a 16:9 aspect ratio as well? Im a bit confused about the process. Overall, sounds like an ambitious project Im sure will look stellar knowing your previous work.
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    Re: SatAM Background Art

    Postby Roareye on November 21st, 2018, 6:19 am

    Hey RecoveredVet :D

    Okay so the process is something that I'm going to have to do in multiple stages. However the first step is to attain the background artworks. And as you say, that means all of them.
    I've not just left a message requesting background scans here, I have also done so at Fans United For SatAM, I've done so in one of the Facebook SatAM communities and I've contacted several private collectors I was able to find personally. I've had a couple of positive replies, but it's all going to take some time - and the biggest struggle is the SatAM community is really very quiet at the moment so the collectors may not have seen the posts or emails yet. I'm contactable at contact@roryjoscelyne.co.uk if you know of any collectors though.

    So the process can sort of answer your followup questions. Let's talk on a single episode basis for now as it makes it easier to explain.
    I make a DVD rip of the SatAM episode (Let's just use Sonic Boom as the example).
    STAGE 1 - With all the high resolution background scans, I use the original episode footage as a guide to animate, zoom in, zoom out, pan etc the new background scans to match the original DVD footage.
    STAGE 2 - Once the backgrounds have been animated, I then take the character animation cels and animate those over the top. With the character animation cels spread so far and wide, locating them all may be an impossibility. If I can find them, I'll use them.
    STAGE 2a - However if the character cels are not attainable, I can use a professional upscaling algorithm to break down the episode into still images at 4K resolution, use Photoshop to cut the characters out of the backgrounds. This is not my preference, but it is a solid backup. Because the character cels are single or dual shaded flat colours, the loss of detail will be almost impossible to see. This may require a mild application of smoothing but it's also possible that a professional upscale (A software I have that's not photoshop) mixed with a very mild film grain application will also cover the upscale process and also lend the animation a more cinematic feel.
    STAGE 3 - Once background animations and character animations are complete, it'd be a look into any potential audio fixes (there may not be any, but I'd rather not miss them if they're there) and hey presto.

    16:9 RATIO - This was something I was going to ask the fans once I was closer to the background section of the project. A 16:9 Aspect Ratio IS possible. In fact it would take no real additional effort. There is a caveat, however. The original show was designed for 4:3 aspect ratio, and my concern is if some of the art boards are designed solely with 4:3 in mind. If the fans want a 16:9 version, then it is doable, but it will rely on the backgrounds supporting the extra screen width.
    If the paintings don't support 16:9 in certain scenes then it would mean one of two things would need to be done. Either I can zoom in, which might lose information in the original show (not my preference), OR I can shift the frame so if Sonic was centre-frame to a shot he would now be to one side of the screen with more background visible on the other side (to cover up the edge of the artwork from Sonic's side etc).
    Overall the answer is yes, 16:9 is more than doable, the question is in it's execution. I won't have an answer to how much impact the ratio change would make until I have some more backgrounds to play with.

    To say this is ambitious is an understatement, but thank you for your words of support :)
    I will say the only block to this project is the lack of attaining the backgrounds. The upscale techniques for the character cels won't work on the painted backgrounds, they'd lose all their detail, which is why I'm so keen to get hold of them. Anything else can be worked around.

    I've got a page for the restoration on my website now. It's a little lacking in high resolution art (which is why the bits I have are reused a lot) but as I said earlier, I already have more on the way. I just need as much help as possible to get the full set of backgrounds scanned.
    https://www.roryjoscelyne.co.uk/satam-2020
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    Re: SatAM Background Art

    Postby TheRecoveredVet on November 21st, 2018, 6:08 pm

    Oh wow! Youre the guy who messaged me on Facebook asking about high res backgrounds. This is certainly a treat cause now that Im aware of your intent, Im totally in full support of this project. I also you see you have a solid track record in the film industry as well.

    Theres a few projects Im currently working on as well that I cant really discuss publicly, but if you want my advice on how to spread the word of your SatAM restoration, best bet is Tumblr, Sonic Reddit, Twitter, and Sonic fan groups on Facebook.

    Unfortunately, the majority of these SatAM Forums like this one are a ghost town so getting a response from anyone can take weeks to months. The only know active Sonic sites are TSSZ News, Sonic Stadium and I FUS. TSSZ News and Tails Channel will help circulate your message as they're a Sonic News site. Ill provide those links if that helps.

    TSSZ News
    http://www.tssznews.com/category/sonic-news/
    contact this person if you want your projects to be posted in a future news post.
    rschneckloth11@gmail.com

    Tails Channel.
    https://www.youtube.com/user/TailsChannel

    Sonic Stadium forums.
    https://board.sonicstadium.org/

    FUS
    http://www.sonicsatam.com/forums/

    I feel these sources are a great start to gain some immediate traction and could help speed up the process on your end. I didnt realize it was you contacting me on FB and write it off as spam. I went ahead and added you now that I know the details. Best of luck and Im sure we'll talk soon.
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    Re: SatAM Background Art

    Postby SatamNetwork on February 16th, 2020, 1:57 pm

    *Blows dust off the thread and coughs as he clears the air*
    I use to run Satam Network and before Ben Hurst passed away, He sent me a few things that may be floating around the internet still, not sure, been a long time since I was around these parts. But this is what I could find quickly.

    https://i.imgur.com/hxKdKSsg.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/hGzLG0M.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/E04WYDy.jpg
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    Re: SatAM Background Art

    Postby Kidcyan on February 18th, 2020, 7:30 am

    *coughs*

    Indeed a treat to see those! Thanks for sharing :tailsgrin:
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